Update SDK to use the FlicTwist ?

abboberg

I am using the SDK with various scripts, to send a webhook on button click.
Now that i also have the FlicTwist it still can only report up to 'SingleOrDoubleClickOrHold'. (see https://hubsdk.flic.io/static/documentation/)

With the added functionalitity of the FlicTwist i would like functions/types such as '3h-double-click' or '9h-hold'. And off-course 'TwistLeft' and 'TwistRight'.

Any timeline for a new SDK with FlicTwist-support?

(or is there a work-around with the current version?)

Emil

We have just announced a beta release of some new features that allows interaction with the Flic Twist: https://community.flic.io/topic/18536/new-flic-twist-features-for-the-hub-sdk.

Sebastian_42

@Emil It's been what? A year? "Still on the roadmap" Yes of couse it should be! WHEN? WHEN? How hard is it to understand? We will probably sit here in 5 years and you will say "Still on the roadmap guys!!!".

Sebastian_42

What is the status for these useless paperweights? When will the SDK support be available? I dont give horseshit about matter support. Or any fancy integrations with other applications/ecosystems. Just give me SDK support and I will fix everything else myself.

First you delayed the campaign, then you failed to deliver on the SDK at launch, and now its been what? A year? And still no SDK.

I'm sad to say, but Flic is one of the worst companies I ever bought a product from.

Emil

@admin-flic please see https://community.flic.io/post/21479

admin-flic

Any updates on this?

I just bought three hubs and three twists only to discover that all of it is useless because the SDK lacks support for the basic functionality of the buttons. I'm feeling disappointed and, frankly, like I was purposely misled by the marketing copy.

This seems like a huge issue this far into the development of this product.

If you can't provide a timeline for the release of an updated SDK I will be looking for a refund.

Sebastian_42

@Emil
" But we want to make sure that what we release is something well-thought so that's why we are not rushing this. "

You have had over 2 years since the success of the kickstarter if I'm not mistaken.
Not planning the SDK from the start was the problem, and now you have to "take your time" in order to "skohorna in skiten i efterhand" as we say here in Sweden.

Whats the status? My twists are still lying in their boxes. Can't you at least open source your blutooth protocol, so that we can fix it ourselves?

Emil

We are currently working as fast as we can to fulfill the promises we gave in the campaign. The biggest thing there was Matter which is still our top priority.

For things we did not promise in the campaign, such as any kind of SDK support is also important for us due to the many requests we have got for it. We are aware that many of you in this thread want it "today" and would be happy to see something minimal viable rushed out to fit your particular purpose. But we want to make sure that what we release is something well-thought so that's why we are not rushing this. I hope you will enjoy the result when it gets released.

Please feel free to continue to post your preferred use cases for twist+sdk so we can take the right decisions

nick-flic

@Emil Please can we have an update? I almost bought an additional flic hub LR to use with my Flic Twist - I have 10s of buttons and 5 twists, several hubs... so I'm heavily invested, but did not imagine the SDK on flic hub still wasn't updated for Twist! I'm glad I tried it and found the support missing, before buying more...

I also use the linux sdk, which has been rock solid for years, it's really great! https://github.com/50ButtonsEach/fliclib-linux-hci but, it looks like ALSO is lacking Twist.

Sebastian_42

Ping @Emil, any update? My 3 twists are still used as paperweights….

Cant you just release something basic to start with?
I saw something about problems with how the sdk support will work with other integrations.

I do not want any other integrations. SDK+MQTT is all I need. So just release SDK-support that disables everything else to start with! At least then we can start using the products we paid and waited for….

Or just Open source the hub software and I will fix it myself.

Emil

@dustingtorres Yes! It is one of the priorities we have currently.

dustingtorres

@Emil Curious if Flic Twist SDK support is a priority for the Flic team? I just want to know if there will be support or not.

I am a huge fan of the hub SDK and I use it for my buttons (more than the native app). I have a lot of thoughts on how I could use Flic twist to help my team at work, but only with SDK support. I want to take advantage of the sale to purchase twists but only if I know SDK support will come in the future.

As a side note, I am very excited for matter support too but Hub SDK is even more versatile for those who want to do the deep dive technically.

mosthated

@abboberg Side note, I have been trying to see if I could find anything useful in the Hub LR, but it's pretty limited, and no where near "like a raspberry pi", as listed on the product page.

It seems like the button doesn't yet have any twist properties on it yet, at least from what was passed in the button event.

I don't do much JS, so I had to look up some ways to get the properties, and I only checked when listening to the 'buttonSingleOrDoubleClickOrHold' event, and since the flicd or lib repos has not been updated, I have yet to find what other events it might be possible to listen to.

Button: CA22
[
    "bdaddr",
    "wasQueued",
    "isSingleClick",
    "isDoubleClick",
    "isHold",
    "age",
    "constructor",
    "__proto__",
    "toString",
    "toLocaleString",
    "valueOf",
    "hasOwnProperty",
    "isPrototypeOf",
    "propertyIsEnumerable",
    "__defineGetter__",
    "__defineSetter__",
    "__lookupGetter__",
    "__lookupSetter__",
    "on",
    "emit"
]

mosthated

@abboberg Yeah, it's quite frustrating to now be two years waiting and $200~ invested into this ecosystem under the marketing promises that it was to be super customizable, open and 'fully programmable' to do with what you please. Only to receive items which are currently no more useful to me than the pile of other buttons I have sitting around which cost a fraction of the price, and at least work out-of-the-box as advertised.

Starting to feel rather duped by said marketing promises. No one gives any actually useful information, just vague, eventually/maybe type answers, etc. Definitely not an experience I would want to recommend to anyone else to have to deal with.

Why even bother shipping the product when it, effectively, provides none of the major selling points that were pushed toward the targeted audience?

All I have received so far is disappointment.

abboberg

@mosthated said in Update SDK to use the FlicTwist ?:

It's been over two weeks since the last official reply. It would definitely be nice to see some updates on the status of this. As of now, I waited two years for a pair flic paperweights.

I see an update of the version number from 4.2.11 to 4.2.13.
No sign of any changelog. Neither in the sdk-documentation.

My hope is still on a added 'ButtonTwist'-event in the Button_class

mosthated

It's been over two weeks since the last official reply. It would definitely be nice to see some updates on the status of this. As of now, I waited two years for a pair flic paperweights.

richard 2

I paid for my FLic Twists in Dec 2021 and I have eventually received them. There were many stories along the way about delays with getting the mechanical aspects of the manufacturing right so you would have thought that by the time they were delivered there would have been ample opportunity to get the software ready ... but apparently not. Can we at least have a timescale for when you hope to have the SDK updated?

Sebastian_42

@Emil You really need to fix this. It can't be a big fix to include the new button presses in the SDK, everything else seem to already be in place.
Please prioritize this. Or make the SDK open source so that we can fix it for you.

Niels

@Emil what part of that reply answers the question?
The question was 'How can we use it in the SDK?' and 'Is there a timeline for when we can?', at best the reply states 'We are actively working on... stay tuned'.
Is that a 'You can't' on on being able to use it and a 'No' on having a timeline?

abboberg

@Emil ok. thank you for your reaction.

But if the current hub fw version is 4.2.11, where is the 'full Flic Twist support' (mentioned in the blog-post)?

Second; i can see a [changelog] button next to the Phone App version (3.10.3 on my Android) but no [changelog] button next to the Hub version.